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Fjordman

Postby Gavin » 23 Apr 2012, 12:59

I was acquainted with the writing of the Norwegian blogger Fjordman well before Breivik went on his spree. It is of unusually, and remarkably, high quality in my opinion. He not only writes about civilisational decline in the West but also about topics such as mathematics, astronomy and the history of beer.

Fjordman has never urged violence, so it is a disgrace that some seek to tarnish him by association with Breivik, but neither does he shy away from talking about the threats as he sees them - this was enough to result in him long ago being blacklisted and ignored by the MSM and he is often misrepresented by the Norwegian press today.

I'm a big fan of Dalrymple. I'm also a big fan of Fjordman. The two sit together quite naturally and comfortably for me as being of a similar intellectual level (and one certainly can't say that about many people when compared with Dalrymple) and even having similar literary skill (Fjordman's English is far superior to that of most native Britons, despite this not being his first language). Also both tell the truth, which is what makes them so refreshing to read. This quality can be almost shocking at times, I think, but only because we are accustomed to so many in the MSM not telling things as they actually are.

Fjordman used to submit his articles to his own blog, but in 2005 he closed that and instead filed them to Gates of Vienna. Now he still occasionally posts to Gates of Vienna but, since his anonymity was blown, is writing a book. I suppose that might be a bestseller.

Here is one of Fjordman's articles picked at random to start off with - this one dealing with America:


Here is Fjordman's blog, which he closed in 2005, but all articles remain on there:


For Fjordman's articles on Gates of Vienna, see The Fjordman Report menu, down the left hand side here:


Here is an index of all of Fjordman's known writing:


I hope you find these articles interesting and look forward to any feedback.
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Re: Fjordman

Postby Elliott » 23 Apr 2012, 15:57

I have been aware of Fjordman for a few years now but perhaps haven't read as much of him as I should have. Gates of Vienna is an interesting website but I think it runs the risk of becoming a self-reinforcing cloister - as does any community whose members largely agree with each other. Just last night I was thinking "is everything really so bad?" I think we should be very careful about what we say, what we believe, and what we say we believe - not to avoid being demonised, but to avoid deluding ourselves.

That said, I am eager to read more of Fjordman now that you have described the range of his work. Reading his essay Political Correctness: the Revenge of Marxism just now, I liked this bit:

In Norway, a tiny Scandinavian nation that was until recently 99% white and Lutheran Christian, native Norwegians will soon be a minority in their own capital city, later in the whole country. And still, Norwegian politicians, journalists and University professors insist that there is nothing to worry about over this. Multiculturalism is nothing new, neither is immigration. In fact, our king a century ago was born in Denmark, so having a capital city dominated by Pakistanis, Kurds, Arabs and Somalis is just business as usual.


That really underscores the idiocy of those people who say things like "Britain has always been a nation of immigrants!" with that happy, almost joyful obliviousness to reality. The answer to their stupidity is so obvious as to be tedious, and perhaps that is how they win so many debates. As TD wrote, "[nonsense wins the argument] by boring people into submission".
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Re: Fjordman

Postby Elliott » 23 Apr 2012, 16:21

Here's another entertaining quote from the same essay:

Fjordman wrote:Maybe Socialism is a bit like the flu: It keeps mutating, and as soon as your immune system has defeated one strain, it changes just enough so that your body does not recognize it and then mounts another attack.
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Re: Fjordman

Postby Gavin » 23 Apr 2012, 16:43

Well, everything is not really so bad - we live in a country less corrupt than many, of course, the sun comes out and I was playing badminton on the beach only two days ago :)

This is where I come primarily to discuss the problems, but life isn't all problems and, I grant you, it's easy to lose sight of that when reading and writing on sites such as this and GOV.

Anybody is welcome to come on and counter us, and as long as it is done politely I would welcome the views. It just so happens we tend to agree with TD. We also need to remember, I think, that while we have a site like this, almost all of the MSM takes contrary views.

Back to Fjordman (who I'm sure has a sense of humour too!): good quotes there...
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Re: Fjordman

Postby Gavin » 24 Apr 2012, 09:54

I thought this was an excellent, concise, review of Fjordman's Defeating Eurabia, which has been published in book form:

Henry Kadoch wrote:Fjordman is a well-known and respected personality online, and he has proven his knowledge and worth over many years in the cause of disseminating the information most mainstream media refuse to divulge, and most of our politicians don't even acknowledge. In this excellent book, we have the compilation of numerous extensive Fjordman blogs, all related to the Islamization of Europe and what it means to those who still believe in the West and its merits. It exposes the hidden agenda of the EU and its crooked politicians, and serves as a warning to those still willing to listen.

The by now well-documented "Eurabian project" is still largely unknown or ignored by most Europeans and Americans, but we do so at our peril. This book will open your eyes to the sinister results of perhaps well-meaning and utopic ideals put in motion for pure short-term self-interest, and at the cost of our people, our legacy, and our civilization. Sacrificing all we have built over centuries of toil and sacrifice for the sake of temporary and illusory "security" is shown to be what it is: the capitulation of our societies and the sacrifice of our allies for a cause that will ultimately annihilate us all.

While the "progressive left" will probably ignore it until it is too late and will then find some excuse for not having paid attention, for those of us who have taken the time to educate ourselves and strive to keep our civilization, it is well worth the time to read, and to pass it on to as many friends as will take it. It is books like this which will ultimately allow us to save our civilization and restore some sense to our lives and those of our children."
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Re: Fjordman

Postby Gavin » 25 Apr 2012, 13:30

With regard to Fjordman's comments on socialism, it's interesting to observe that both he and Dalrymple had socialist fathers. I'm not sure if there is any kind of causal link here, but it's still interesting. Perhaps the socialism of one so close to them enabled them to see how the doctrine was flawed and was perhaps a substitute for personal shortcomings.

Without specific reference to their fathers, about whom I know little to nothing, it has often occurred to me that socialism may be defined as the politics of resentment.
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Re: Fjordman

Postby Damo » 25 Apr 2012, 14:29

Gavin wrote:With regard to Fjordman's comments on socialism, it's interesting to observe that both he and Dalrymple had socialist fathers. I'm not sure if there is any kind of causal link here, but it's still interesting. Perhaps the socialism of one so close to them enabled them to see how the doctrine was flawed and was perhaps a substitute for personal shortcomings.

Without specific reference to their fathers, about whom I know little to nothing, it has often occurred to me that socialism may be defined as the politics of resentment.



Gavin I remember being a socialist in my teens and early twenties.

Nearly everyone I knew was a socialist too. Thankfully though, I grew up and no longer belong in that camp.

I think a lot of people on becoming aware of politics, would usually start off as a socialist.

I wonder did Dalrymple or Fjordman ever dabble with socialism in their earlier years?
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Re: Fjordman

Postby Caleb » 26 Apr 2012, 00:38

There's an old saying something along the lines of if someone is not a socialist in his twenties, he has no heart, but if he's still a socialist in his forties, he has no brain.
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Re: Fjordman

Postby Gavin » 16 May 2012, 18:34

Fjordman recounts the following from Bruce Bawer:

On the negative side, he asserts that I could be arrogant. “Indeed, he was certain, I soon learned, about almost everything. His self-assurance proved daunting. He was convinced, for example, that his magnum opus about Islam in Europe, when it came out, would save Europe.”

Perhaps I do display a touch of arrogance at times. It’s not the first time I have been accused of it, so there could be a grain of truth to this.


It must be difficult to avoid the accusation of arrogance when you actually do know what you are talking about, and this seems like a bit of an ad hominem to me, and one which Fjordman ironically negates with his humility here!

I've read two of Bruce Bawer's books and respect the fact he argues for freedom of the press and against Islamisation but as far as criticism of him goes (in return), I would say I have sometimes been a little concerned that his main motive is simply that he is a gay man, when there are over-arching concerns that any right thinking person should have about the growth of Islam in Europe. This is not much of a criticism, though, and I think that those in support of freedom should try to stick together - more of an observation, I suppose.

As a homosexual man perhaps Bawer is unduly fearful that Fjordman is going to start donning jackboots and and becoming extreme, when there is really no evidence for this. I guess we should be thankful that Mr Bawer is in this battle at all, though, as very often gays are utterly deluded and on the side of those who would kill them.
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Re: Fjordman

Postby Gavin » 30 Dec 2012, 13:55

This is a prime example of when tagging would be useful as this post would be tagged with "feminism", "fjordman" and "multiculturalism". It covers multiple categories. Anyway, I decided to read a bit more Fjordman recently and here are some selected quotations.

Fjordman wrote:What I will say next will cause great offense to some Feminists, but it’s nevertheless a fact which we can discover from human history. While women are immensely important for the social fabric of any society, a civilization is first and foremost created, maintained and defended by men. In all societies, even ones such as ancient Egypt, or the Germanic cultures of Europe where women enjoyed much freedom and respect, most of the political and military power was in the hands of men. A society is primarily protected by men who have masculine pride in their culture. If they lose their masculinity, their cultural pride or both, men from other tribes may not even have to fight much in order to invade and conquer; they can simply walk in and take over the territory and the local women. If we look around us, is this not what is happening in some Western cities today?

Ultimately, this situation has only two possible outcomes:

1. The invading men win and establish their lasting dominance over the conquered and colonized territory.
2. There is a resurgence of masculine cultural pride among European men, who reestablish control over their countries.

Option 3, “Girl power kicks ass,” only exists in certain myths promoted by modern popular culture. Women can take some measure of responsibility for their own protection, for instance by carrying a gun, and some women can contribute meaningfully to the defenses in various ways. Yet in the end, the basic responsibility for protecting society and keeping predators off the streets will always fall to the men. I say this as a quiet man more at home with books than with fistfights, but this is what studying human history and biology shows us.

~ Feminism and the Defeat of Tribes
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Re: Fjordman

Postby Gavin » 30 Dec 2012, 13:59

Fjordman wrote:The native peoples of Europe are now deeply anxious about their future, often with very good reason as their lands are being flooded with outsiders and they are being turned into strangers in their own cities. When people are in a state of anxiety they may pose a threat, both to themselves and to those whom they fear. Roger Scruton warns that if the ruling Multicultural elites will not discuss these matters and continue to put all blame for the growing tensions on the xenophobia of the indigenous population while ignoring the oikophobia which is a major contributing factor, a likely long-term effect of this situation could be a popular explosion.

Treason in a nation-state meant disloyalty to the heritage, freedom and continued existence of the distinct nation or ethnic group who traditionally inhabited that country’s territory. Treason in an ideological state or Idea Nation means disloyalty to the ideals upheld by the state. The practical consequences of these different outlooks are huge. Judged according to the former definition, it is no exaggeration to say that the governments of every single member-state of the European Union, and indeed all Western countries, commit treason every single day.

~ When Treason Becomes the Norm
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Re: Fjordman

Postby Elliott » 30 Dec 2012, 21:12

That's an excellent essay, Gavin. There are several golden quotes in it but I especially liked this:

The so-called political debate we see on the newspapers and on the TV screens merely addresses the remaining details of how a Multicultural society should be implemented or what the New Man should look like. It is an insane ideological beauty contest on how best to dismantle the white West.
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Re: Fjordman

Postby Paul » 30 Dec 2012, 23:55

Good article indeed. A lot of ground is covered and there seems little one can add to it.

I found this bit pertinent:

Unfortunately, this latter line of thinking was discredited by the Nazis. After the Second World War, any talk of genetic differences, of being related by blood or of ties to the soil you live on became associated with Nazism and therefore seen as evil. Out of the many things the Nazis destroyed, this was one of the most damaging, but perhaps least appreciated today. I would be tempted to declare the Nazis the most anti-white movement that ever existed, considering the incalculable damage they did to Europeans and people of European origins.


I think this is a huge factor. I said to someone earlier this year - 'it's not just what you know the Nazis did at the time ..... but what they really did long term.' I meant by that it's not the stuff you've seen (and heard about, been told about) but the stuff you don't see, but that has lingered and exists still. I had to explain it and all the more so because it was to a liberal, though the statement and explanation were wasted really - because he's a liberal.

Still, he proved my point by alluding to Nazism at some point in the debate. I hit him with the 'Godwin's Law' accusation, which in itself I only became aware of (the phrase) in the last few years. Using it, by either side in a debate, often elicits wry and gentle smiles.

So we have even developed a term for it now, as a parody phrase which acknowledges the (often subconcious) influence that Nazism (or fear of it) still exerts. It can be used accusatively or defensively, by either side to suit the moment. It's often beneficial if one can get the phrase used first! Still, it's a relatively cheery phrase, or rather it certainly doesn't represent a grievous insult. The whole phenomena going on is quite subtle indeed.

We've ALL been indoctrinated to a point, because we can all still feel an attachment (and then revulsion) to the 2nd World War, though less and less with each passing decade. Certainly for my generation (born 1963) and definitely my parents (born during the war) and probably the one after me, the war was still always 'there', lingering in an almost collective psyche which then becomes part of the culture, swiftly and mostly subconciously.

Conversely, more and more libertarians and right-thinking people (there is now a growing counter-movement at last - you know this!) are tentatively saying that, for all the horror, there were some aspects of Nazi Germany that were proper and correct. Unfortunately (or rather not) they are probably right.
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Re: Fjordman

Postby Damo » 31 Dec 2012, 16:16

Paul wrote:Conversely, more and more libertarians and right-thinking people (there is now a growing counter-movement at last - you know this!) are tentatively saying that, for all the horror, there were some aspects of Nazi Germany that were proper and correct. Unfortunately (or rather not) they are probably right.


Paul, what aspects of Nazism do Libertarians find proper and correct?
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Re: Fjordman

Postby Paul » 03 Jan 2013, 16:21

Damo wrote: Paul, what aspects of Nazism do Libertarians find proper and correct?


I did say Nazi Germany, not specifically Nazism. One could say they are one and the same, but one could also say that the first is a political ideology and the second is of course a country.

Although it was done with increasing severity and cruelty, Hitler did drag Germany back onto its feet and stand up to those who he saw as acting against Germany's interests. He was strong on immigrants and in favour of the interests of Germans. He was opposed to Communism. It was all done with an horrendous ideal and result in mind of course but it is those kind of attributes that I'm talking about and which some people wish were seen more from our own politicians of today.

I knew it was a contentious statement, considered deleting it but having been typed I allowed it to remain. Quite obviously I don't agree with the vast bulk of what the Nazis ended up doing. In the main I was just reporting some things I am increasingly reading and not saying I necessarily agree with all that either. But the further leftwards we keep going and the more problems with immigration we keep seeing and in addition the general indolence and thuggish sense of entitlement from our own indigenous neighbours we witness, the more some people will call for strong and right-wing government.
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