Dalrymple at the Oxford Union

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Dalrymple at the Oxford Union

Postby Gavin » 22 Dec 2013, 14:59

Here's TD explaining why socialism does not work. I'm looking forward to watching this.

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Re: Dalrymple at the Oxford Union

Postby Nathan » 22 Dec 2013, 15:54

I thought that was an excellent speech: well-delivered with very clear diction, more light-hearted than he sometimes comes across in his writing, defines his terms at the start and finishes off with a pithy ending.

I would imagine too that given the life that he has led and the range of books he must have read, he could give anecdotes from his personal experience or relevant quotes on more or less any topic!
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Re: Dalrymple at the Oxford Union

Postby Jonathan » 22 Dec 2013, 22:30

Certainly a pleasant speech to listen to.

It reminded me of this article in The Onion which I read ever so long ago. I wonder if he's read it?

http://www.theonion.com/articles/marxis ... does,1382/
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Re: Dalrymple at the Oxford Union

Postby Gavin » 23 Dec 2013, 01:36

Yes, very entertaining. I thought Daniel Hannan's was very good too, even though socialists in the audience were constantly (and very rudely and incoherently) interrupting him.



Unsurprisingly, despite this reasoning, it seems that the motion put before the youngsters and academics (that "Socialism does not work") was defeated by 174 to 137.
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Re: Dalrymple at the Oxford Union

Postby Charlie » 23 Dec 2013, 08:11

Is this the result of "the long march through the institutions"?

Is it game over?
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Re: Dalrymple at the Oxford Union

Postby Gavin » 26 Dec 2013, 21:50

It sure is disappointing - indeed alarming - that all these very privileged young people voted for socialism. I suppose they think they are being virtuous in some way for doing so. I suppose they feel guilty, as though they have so-called "white privilege" or something.

Anyway, for comedy value, see this speech in favour of socialism by Jeremy Corbyn, who is Labour MP for wealthy, trendy Islington:



TD stands up and corrects him on the NHS at one point (given his 40 years' first hand experience) and all Mr Corbyn can say is that he doesn't believe him. I'm actually pro-NHS (though I would be far more strict on its abuse) but this does not mean unfettered socialism is a good idea.

Mr Corbyn suggests that the only alternative to socialism is complete capitalism (though I think that would be vastly preferable) and he says silly things such as that people "get wealthy at the expense of others". As TD has been emphasising recently, the economy is not a zero-sum game like that. Who's giving them the money anyway? People, voluntarily. Look at the record number of shoppers this year during "cut-backs" and supposed "austerity"! Mostly buying unnecessary things. But it's their right to do so - socialists just shouldn't give them other people's money to do it.

This left-wing MP also takes no notice of that fact that despots tend the rise to the top in socialist nations. It was a pretty poor speech really. Maybe we should be more worried that the majority of these young people - "the cream of the land" ("rich and thick"?!) voted in favour of socialism. There is a middle-way - checked capitalism with healthcare. We have it now. I think it works very well. We probably just need its extremes checking a little further.
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Re: Dalrymple at the Oxford Union

Postby Damo » 28 Dec 2013, 10:19

I wish these socialist would do the walk and not just the talk.
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